Skype Chat Log

My last on line chat with Mike….
The followings were my last on line chat through skype with Mike on April 7, 2009.  Mike tried to call me to inquire about my father’s well being.  My father was hospitalized and underwent a tumor removal surgery.  When I read the conversation again, I can feel the warmth and brotherhood from Mike in a vivid personality.   In memory of Mike, I would like to share this conversation with all who know Mike in person.  Part of the conversation is abridged/removed  because of privacy.
In love and peace.
Howard, Huai Hsiang, Wang
[?? 05:26:45] mike martello: hows your dad?[2009/4/7 ?? 11:02:32]
[?? 05:26:45] mike martello: hows your dad?
[?? 05:27:20] mike martello: Please send me update via email…
[?? 05:28:44] huaihsiang: He is fine.
[?? 05:29:11] huaihsiang: Just that he is suffering from recurring symptoms from his previous hernia surgery.
[?? 05:29:17] mike martello: I got a call saying he was doing bad
[?? 05:29:24] mike martello: I got worried
[?? 05:30:05] huaihsiang: He is fine….just that out of his tenacity, he may decline to undergo another surgery…
[?? 05:30:24] huaihsiang: Was the call from Tom?
[?? 05:30:30] mike martello: Oh I  see,
[?? 05:30:35] mike martello: Yes tom called me
[?? 05:30:42] mike martello: But i was not home
[?? 05:30:50] mike martello: just answering machine
[?? 05:31:01] huaihsiang: He maintains his session at the park still, and as long as he remain with the presence, he is fine.
[?? 05:31:17] mike martello: Okay that is good news, I am happy again
[?? 05:31:28] mike martello: I was feeling for a few days because of it
[?? 05:31:37] mike martello: Not good
[?? 05:32:01] mike martello: Funny thing is last week i sensed he was not feeling good and then Tom calls me
[?? 05:32:13] mike martello: so my stomach got knotted
[?? 05:32:16] huaihsiang: There are two more months to go for his chemo therapy….so it is not a good timing for him to undergo another surgery….yet the hernia symptom is acutely there, so we are pending for the doctor’s further recommendations..
[?? 05:32:32] mike martello: oh i see
[?? 05:32:48] mike martello: Tom meant no harm just to tell me news thats all
[?? 05:33:01] huaihsiang: No worries…
[?? 05:33:26] mike martello: Yes i know, but you know me also I do worry for u guys
[?? 05:33:42] mike martello: You are like my extended family
[?? 05:34:27] huaihsiang: Thanks for the concern…..he is fine, just that he tend to lost his temper easily nowadays…and he does not seem to be aware of it….
[?? 05:35:15] mike martello: yea well he is going through a lot, understandable, and with the chemo drugs, side effects are possible
*****************************
[?? 06:01:44] mike martello: strange thing is Howard, I have been teaching for a long time now, i have a good handle on the qinna your dad taught me and my internal is growing… but but… I have learned….
[?? 06:02:14] mike martello: it is not for everyone, I teach basics for it bit no one yet has even been able to grasp the basic ideas
[?? 06:02:42] mike martello: I have come to believe it is way to high level for people to grasp because of the mind is out of snyc and body
[?? 06:03:30] huaihsiang: Mn…in a way, yes, it is difficult for the majority of people, yet itself is so simple….
[?? 06:03:42] huaihsiang: I call it degree of freedom….in between one’s body-mind…
[?? 06:03:44] mike martello: the flow of energies that allows one to grasp the others mind body is not just grabbing and twisting as people think.. it is beyond that… and that needs special people to understand
[?? 06:04:24] mike martello: yes simplicity in fact it is, but one must have reached the inner simplicity to really appreciate how subtle and simple it flows
[?? 06:04:44] huaihsiang: one’s body mind, one has to break free from the shackle first, then each and every move they make will be nothing but the manifestation of freedom, both internal and external…
[?? 06:04:46] mike martello: and yet i feel like a beginner still
[?? 06:05:05] mike martello: yes i get that, and that is what i see lacking in people
[?? 06:05:26] mike martello: army qinna for them is quite better
[?? 06:05:33] huaihsiang: They do not lack it, just that they are not aware of it.
[?? 06:05:36] mike martello: muscles and leverages as you say
[?? 06:05:44] mike martello: better put…
[?? 06:06:06] mike martello: true , your dad told me, I will not teach you, I will pull it out of you
[?? 06:06:17] mike martello: so you are correct
[?? 06:06:24] mike martello: lack is a bad word
[?? 06:07:35] huaihsiang: You said just now that you have not been teaching…what have you been up to then.
[?? 06:08:02] mike martello: No no I have been teaching
[?? 06:08:24] huaihsiang: I see…
[?? 06:08:47] mike martello: but i realize what I perceive to be taught is not what the student needs
[?? 06:09:03] huaihsiang: What do they need then?
[?? 06:09:07] mike martello: I have been for too long pushing on students what I want to train
[?? 06:09:18] mike martello: or what i need to train
[?? 06:09:27] mike martello:  but my needs are not there
[?? 06:09:32] mike martello: theirs
[?? 06:10:02] mike martello: so yes i have stepped back from my personal needs during classes and focus on the needs of students
[?? 06:10:16] huaihsiang: You do not need further training…..you train when you teach….aside from that, unlearn what you had learned is more important for you…..
[?? 06:10:21] mike martello: like just basic functional coordination and body alignment
[?? 06:10:37] mike martello: yes yes i know
[?? 06:10:39] mike martello: I do train when i teach
[?? 06:10:49] mike martello: yes yes let me explain
[?? 06:10:51] mike martello: hehee
[?? 06:11:05] mike martello: of course that is so true and why I have grown
[?? 06:11:16] mike martello: but I realize students are not me
[?? 06:12:36] mike martello: they need themselves to go thru what their body and minds need for foundation>>> i cannot put my foundation on them but show them what they are missing and need build… some need strength pure and simple, some need confidences, some need coordination, some need to just socialize
[?? 06:13:35] mike martello: i call it ming jing ming jing, gui li gui li… obvaice power and encouragement
[?? 06:14:10] huaihsiang: True..the difference lies in their lacking of true understanding of the nature of the art and quest. ..
[?? 06:14:16] mike martello: what I train is too subtle and not seen not he outside of the body and I realise for students this is not good, they need see it and feel it…
[?? 06:14:18] mike martello: yes yes
[?? 06:14:41] mike martello: so my needs are not their yet i can train
[?? 06:15:01] mike martello: I found a balance and it seems to get results better than before
[?? 06:15:15] mike martello: we have went thru so much we forget
[?? 06:15:29] mike martello: we forget all the training we did to get to this state
[?? 06:15:40] mike martello: we see the freedom already
[?? 06:15:43] mike martello: they cannot
[?? 06:15:53] mike martello: we feel the freedom
[?? 06:15:56] mike martello: they cannot
[?? 06:16:04] mike martello: like you said earlier
[?? 06:16:16] mike martello: the difference lies in their lacking of true understanding of the nature of the art and quest. ..
[?? 06:16:28] mike martello: it has helped me to be a better teacher now
[?? 06:16:39] mike martello: and students don’t get as frustrated
[?? 06:18:10] huaihsiang: That is why the true teachings are tailor made, individualized per each individual’s peculiarities,   standardized curriculum is impossible…
[?? 06:18:39] mike martello: ah very good point
[?? 06:18:48] mike martello: this is the hardship I find now
[?? 06:19:05] mike martello: students want a curriculum
[?? 06:19:10] mike martello: and I offer none
[?? 06:19:37] mike martello: if I want to survive i need to have one in place as a placebo
[?? 06:20:15] huaihsiang: Actually, I have been pondering over Sifu Tony Puyot’s  proposition…..perhaps I should position myself clear and square at  the beginning…true teaching is only available for those who are serious about their quest on the path of kung fu…for those who are not serious enough, the set program is good enough…
[?? 06:21:01] mike martello: this I have learned over the years of mistakes and teaching or trying to teach for real
[?? 06:21:11] mike martello: when its real people seem to turn the other way
[?? 06:21:19] mike martello: and only a very few are left
[?? 06:21:20] huaihsiang: You can franchise the standard system or programs easily, and take your time to observe and qualify the students in time,
[?? 06:21:33] mike martello: the very few do not pay bills thou
[?? 06:21:40] mike martello: but that is not my nature
[?? 06:21:51] mike martello: my conflict
[?? 06:22:13] mike martello: i have a CPA student tells me all the time to change my system like franchise
[?? 06:22:41] mike martello: i seem to understand the good of it for the clubs growth, business… but I myself am torn
[?? 06:23:21] huaihsiang: Yes, this happens, but I think it is time to set up the rules of the game, similar to the Japanese game,  not to make money though, just to ensure that there is enough resource for the propagation and sustainment of the art in an era of annihilation…
[?? 06:23:30] mike martello: i understand what true teaching is and almost cannot stand in front of a group and teach anything less, i will feel bad and question myself why do I myself train…
[?? 06:24:13] mike martello: why my club is still small
[?? 06:24:21] huaihsiang: That is a good question to ask to oneself though…..why do I train, and what for?
[?? 06:24:46] mike martello: I love teaching and helping people….
[?? 06:25:02] mike martello: I get so much back from it that money seems like nothing
[?? 06:25:33] mike martello: just part o the game of living
[?? 06:27:14] huaihsiang: Could it be that the teaching is imposive, and yet the helping is not needed?  If this is the case, something is wrong, if this is not the case, then the case shall rest…….Money is always a difficult topic, but it is necessary to address on this topic….as long as livelihood is concerned….
[?? 06:28:16] mike martello: thats possible… and yes money is needed to be addressed…
[?? 06:28:22] mike martello: imposive
[?? 06:28:27] mike martello: maybe maybe not
[?? 06:28:35] mike martello: some really need help
[?? 06:28:39] mike martello: some do not
[?? 06:29:01] mike martello: if I was not helped today maybe I would be something I would not
[?? 06:29:21] mike martello: people have helped me, its only kind to help back
[?? 06:29:31] mike martello: Yuan
[?? 06:29:36] mike martello: Yuan feng
[?? 06:30:25] huaihsiang: Mn…true sharing is not about the art of give and take…
[?? 06:30:49] mike martello: true, that is true….
[?? 06:33:03] huaihsiang: All encounters in life in between individuals are beginning of the growing of relationship in between the two, as to whether the relationship is good or bad, that is up to their hands….the encounter as of the beginning is Yuan, as to the quality of relationship is what is called “Feng”.   What is happening in between the teacher and the student is beyond yuen feng!
[?? 06:35:18] mike martello: that is beautiful….
[?? 06:35:46] mike martello: thank you so much i will ponder these things
[?? 06:36:30] huaihsiang: thank you for calling…I will keep you updated as to my father’s condition.
[?? 06:37:07] mike martello: have  a nice day Howard, I will think of you today, send you some good warmth….
[?? 06:37:11] mike martello: ciao
[?? 06:37:30] huaihsiang: (F)   say hi to Rosa for us.
[?? 06:37:43] mike martello: will do… and also to your family
[?? 06:37:49] mike martello: bye
[?? 06:37:54] huaihsiang: bye

My last on line chat with Mike….

The followings were my last on line chat through skype with Mike on April 7, 2009.  Mike tried to call me to inquire about my father’s well being.  My father was hospitalized and underwent a tumor removal surgery.  When I read the conversation again, I can feel the warmth and brotherhood from Mike in a vivid personality.   In memory of Mike, I would like to share this conversation with all who know Mike in person.  Part of the conversation is abridged/removed  because of privacy.

In love and peace.

Howard, Huai Hsiang, Wang

[?? 05:26:45] mike martello: hows your dad?[2009/4/7 ?? 11:02:32]

[?? 05:26:45] mike martello: hows your dad?

[?? 05:27:20] mike martello: Please send me update via email…

[?? 05:28:44] huaihsiang: He is fine.

[?? 05:29:11] huaihsiang: Just that he is suffering from recurring symptoms from his previous hernia surgery.

[?? 05:29:17] mike martello: I got a call saying he was doing bad

[?? 05:29:24] mike martello: I got worried

[?? 05:30:05] huaihsiang: He is fine….just that out of his tenacity, he may decline to undergo another surgery…

[?? 05:30:24] huaihsiang: Was the call from Tom?

[?? 05:30:30] mike martello: Oh I  see,

[?? 05:30:35] mike martello: Yes tom called me

[?? 05:30:42] mike martello: But i was not home

[?? 05:30:50] mike martello: just answering machine

[?? 05:31:01] huaihsiang: He maintains his session at the park still, and as long as he remain with the presence, he is fine.

[?? 05:31:17] mike martello: Okay that is good news, I am happy again

[?? 05:31:28] mike martello: I was feeling for a few days because of it

[?? 05:31:37] mike martello: Not good

[?? 05:32:01] mike martello: Funny thing is last week i sensed he was not feeling good and then Tom calls me

[?? 05:32:13] mike martello: so my stomach got knotted

[?? 05:32:16] huaihsiang: There are two more months to go for his chemo therapy….so it is not a good timing for him to undergo another surgery….yet the hernia symptom is acutely there, so we are pending for the doctor’s further recommendations..

[?? 05:32:32] mike martello: oh i see

[?? 05:32:48] mike martello: Tom meant no harm just to tell me news thats all

[?? 05:33:01] huaihsiang: No worries…

[?? 05:33:26] mike martello: Yes i know, but you know me also I do worry for u guys

[?? 05:33:42] mike martello: You are like my extended family

[?? 05:34:27] huaihsiang: Thanks for the concern…..he is fine, just that he tend to lost his temper easily nowadays…and he does not seem to be aware of it….

[?? 05:35:15] mike martello: yea well he is going through a lot, understandable, and with the chemo drugs, side effects are possible

*****************************

[?? 06:01:44] mike martello: strange thing is Howard, I have been teaching for a long time now, i have a good handle on the qinna your dad taught me and my internal is growing… but but… I have learned….

[?? 06:02:14] mike martello: it is not for everyone, I teach basics for it bit no one yet has even been able to grasp the basic ideas

[?? 06:02:42] mike martello: I have come to believe it is way to high level for people to grasp because of the mind is out of snyc and body

[?? 06:03:30] huaihsiang: Mn…in a way, yes, it is difficult for the majority of people, yet itself is so simple….

[?? 06:03:42] huaihsiang: I call it degree of freedom….in between one’s body-mind…

[?? 06:03:44] mike martello: the flow of energies that allows one to grasp the others mind body is not just grabbing and twisting as people think.. it is beyond that… and that needs special people to understand

[?? 06:04:24] mike martello: yes simplicity in fact it is, but one must have reached the inner simplicity to really appreciate how subtle and simple it flows

[?? 06:04:44] huaihsiang: one’s body mind, one has to break free from the shackle first, then each and every move they make will be nothing but the manifestation of freedom, both internal and external…

[?? 06:04:46] mike martello: and yet i feel like a beginner still

[?? 06:05:05] mike martello: yes i get that, and that is what i see lacking in people

[?? 06:05:26] mike martello: army qinna for them is quite better

[?? 06:05:33] huaihsiang: They do not lack it, just that they are not aware of it.

[?? 06:05:36] mike martello: muscles and leverages as you say

[?? 06:05:44] mike martello: better put…

[?? 06:06:06] mike martello: true , your dad told me, I will not teach you, I will pull it out of you

[?? 06:06:17] mike martello: so you are correct

[?? 06:06:24] mike martello: lack is a bad word

[?? 06:07:35] huaihsiang: You said just now that you have not been teaching…what have you been up to then.

[?? 06:08:02] mike martello: No no I have been teaching

[?? 06:08:24] huaihsiang: I see…

[?? 06:08:47] mike martello: but i realize what I perceive to be taught is not what the student needs

[?? 06:09:03] huaihsiang: What do they need then?

[?? 06:09:07] mike martello: I have been for too long pushing on students what I want to train

[?? 06:09:18] mike martello: or what i need to train

[?? 06:09:27] mike martello:  but my needs are not there

[?? 06:09:32] mike martello: theirs

[?? 06:10:02] mike martello: so yes i have stepped back from my personal needs during classes and focus on the needs of students

[?? 06:10:16] huaihsiang: You do not need further training…..you train when you teach….aside from that, unlearn what you had learned is more important for you…..

[?? 06:10:21] mike martello: like just basic functional coordination and body alignment

[?? 06:10:37] mike martello: yes yes i know

[?? 06:10:39] mike martello: I do train when i teach

[?? 06:10:49] mike martello: yes yes let me explain

[?? 06:10:51] mike martello: hehee

[?? 06:11:05] mike martello: of course that is so true and why I have grown

[?? 06:11:16] mike martello: but I realize students are not me

[?? 06:12:36] mike martello: they need themselves to go thru what their body and minds need for foundation>>> i cannot put my foundation on them but show them what they are missing and need build… some need strength pure and simple, some need confidences, some need coordination, some need to just socialize

[?? 06:13:35] mike martello: i call it ming jing ming jing, gui li gui li… obvaice power and encouragement

[?? 06:14:10] huaihsiang: True..the difference lies in their lacking of true understanding of the nature of the art and quest. ..

[?? 06:14:16] mike martello: what I train is too subtle and not seen not he outside of the body and I realise for students this is not good, they need see it and feel it…

[?? 06:14:18] mike martello: yes yes

[?? 06:14:41] mike martello: so my needs are not their yet i can train

[?? 06:15:01] mike martello: I found a balance and it seems to get results better than before

[?? 06:15:15] mike martello: we have went thru so much we forget

[?? 06:15:29] mike martello: we forget all the training we did to get to this state

[?? 06:15:40] mike martello: we see the freedom already

[?? 06:15:43] mike martello: they cannot

[?? 06:15:53] mike martello: we feel the freedom

[?? 06:15:56] mike martello: they cannot

[?? 06:16:04] mike martello: like you said earlier

[?? 06:16:16] mike martello: the difference lies in their lacking of true understanding of the nature of the art and quest. ..

[?? 06:16:28] mike martello: it has helped me to be a better teacher now

[?? 06:16:39] mike martello: and students don’t get as frustrated

[?? 06:18:10] huaihsiang: That is why the true teachings are tailor made, individualized per each individual’s peculiarities,   standardized curriculum is impossible…

[?? 06:18:39] mike martello: ah very good point

[?? 06:18:48] mike martello: this is the hardship I find now

[?? 06:19:05] mike martello: students want a curriculum

[?? 06:19:10] mike martello: and I offer none

[?? 06:19:37] mike martello: if I want to survive i need to have one in place as a placebo

[?? 06:20:15] huaihsiang: Actually, I have been pondering over Sifu Tony Puyot’s  proposition…..perhaps I should position myself clear and square at  the beginning…true teaching is only available for those who are serious about their quest on the path of kung fu…for those who are not serious enough, the set program is good enough…

[?? 06:21:01] mike martello: this I have learned over the years of mistakes and teaching or trying to teach for real

[?? 06:21:11] mike martello: when its real people seem to turn the other way

[?? 06:21:19] mike martello: and only a very few are left

[?? 06:21:20] huaihsiang: You can franchise the standard system or programs easily, and take your time to observe and qualify the students in time,

[?? 06:21:33] mike martello: the very few do not pay bills thou

[?? 06:21:40] mike martello: but that is not my nature

[?? 06:21:51] mike martello: my conflict

[?? 06:22:13] mike martello: i have a CPA student tells me all the time to change my system like franchise

[?? 06:22:41] mike martello: i seem to understand the good of it for the clubs growth, business… but I myself am torn

[?? 06:23:21] huaihsiang: Yes, this happens, but I think it is time to set up the rules of the game, similar to the Japanese game,  not to make money though, just to ensure that there is enough resource for the propagation and sustainment of the art in an era of annihilation…

[?? 06:23:30] mike martello: i understand what true teaching is and almost cannot stand in front of a group and teach anything less, i will feel bad and question myself why do I myself train…

[?? 06:24:13] mike martello: why my club is still small

[?? 06:24:21] huaihsiang: That is a good question to ask to oneself though…..why do I train, and what for?

[?? 06:24:46] mike martello: I love teaching and helping people….

[?? 06:25:02] mike martello: I get so much back from it that money seems like nothing

[?? 06:25:33] mike martello: just part o the game of living

[?? 06:27:14] huaihsiang: Could it be that the teaching is imposive, and yet the helping is not needed?  If this is the case, something is wrong, if this is not the case, then the case shall rest…….Money is always a difficult topic, but it is necessary to address on this topic….as long as livelihood is concerned….

[?? 06:28:16] mike martello: thats possible… and yes money is needed to be addressed…

[?? 06:28:22] mike martello: imposive

[?? 06:28:27] mike martello: maybe maybe not

[?? 06:28:35] mike martello: some really need help

[?? 06:28:39] mike martello: some do not

[?? 06:29:01] mike martello: if I was not helped today maybe I would be something I would not

[?? 06:29:21] mike martello: people have helped me, its only kind to help back

[?? 06:29:31] mike martello: Yuan

[?? 06:29:36] mike martello: Yuan feng

[?? 06:30:25] huaihsiang: Mn…true sharing is not about the art of give and take…

[?? 06:30:49] mike martello: true, that is true….

[?? 06:33:03] huaihsiang: All encounters in life in between individuals are beginning of the growing of relationship in between the two, as to whether the relationship is good or bad, that is up to their hands….the encounter as of the beginning is Yuan, as to the quality of relationship is what is called “Feng”.   What is happening in between the teacher and the student is beyond yuen feng!

[?? 06:35:18] mike martello: that is beautiful….

[?? 06:35:46] mike martello: thank you so much i will ponder these things

[?? 06:36:30] huaihsiang: thank you for calling…I will keep you updated as to my father’s condition.

[?? 06:37:07] mike martello: have  a nice day Howard, I will think of you today, send you some good warmth….

[?? 06:37:11] mike martello: ciao

[?? 06:37:30] huaihsiang: (F)   say hi to Rosa for us.

[?? 06:37:43] mike martello: will do… and also to your family

[?? 06:37:49] mike martello: bye

[?? 06:37:54] huaihsiang: bye

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  1. Thank you Howard, this Log-File is very insightful. Thanks for that!
    Mike talked to me a few times about being worried for the Health of his Teacher, your father, Wang Laoshi. So last time he was really happy to say that he is doing fine now. I hope he is still recovering well.
    Best, Jochen

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